<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post5936312843829956532..comments</id><updated>2008-02-19T12:59:44.132-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Comments on Welch's ASL Juice!: ASL: Human Language or Robot Language</title><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/feeds/5936312843829956532/comments/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html'/><author><name>Toby Welch</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15242228009892583625</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-232829578866512376</id><published>2008-02-19T12:59:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-19T12:59:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Signing is human. Voicing is human.Writing is huma...</title><content type='html'>Signing is human. &lt;BR/&gt;Voicing is human.&lt;BR/&gt;Writing is human.&lt;BR/&gt; &lt;BR/&gt;Any language, be it signed or spoken, is human. Any language,&lt;BR/&gt;be it signed, spoken, or wirtten,&lt;BR/&gt;has already been proven by linguistics to be a tue and real&lt;BR/&gt;language. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;You can convert from a signed&lt;BR/&gt;or spoken language into an &lt;BR/&gt;animated language (see Fookem's&lt;BR/&gt;animated language blog last month). More and more movies &lt;BR/&gt;convert from a spoken language&lt;BR/&gt;into an animated language expressed by animated animals.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Finally, a robot you see on TV, in movies, or at NASA is manipulated by a human being who operates a computer. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A hearing person's language is a&lt;BR/&gt;human language, not a robot language. Also, a book authored by either a hearing person or a deaf person is a human language. If authored by a deaf person, the structure and syntax is still the&lt;BR/&gt;same as that of a hearing person as long as both use the same&lt;BR/&gt;language, say, Spanish, English,&lt;BR/&gt;French, or whatever. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;A hearing person's language is &lt;BR/&gt;NOT a robot. It is human. It is just that he uses voice whereas&lt;BR/&gt;a deaf person uses hands.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Hope this helps.</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/232829578866512376'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/232829578866512376'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203447540000#c232829578866512376' title=''/><author><name>Jean Boutcher</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05453552767797746706</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-7493679164606225935</id><published>2008-02-18T20:03:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T20:03:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>ASL Human natural expression is Awesome and  phttt...</title><content type='html'>ASL Human natural expression is Awesome and  phtttt Robot Language is so boring!!!!!!&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Davy</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/7493679164606225935'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/7493679164606225935'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203386580000#c7493679164606225935' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-7949008453087796382</id><published>2008-02-18T17:07:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T17:07:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>I don't need to be encourage to hang out with Deaf...</title><content type='html'>I don't need to be encourage to hang out with Deaf people everyday. It is just not possible due job environment, deaf people not living near by etc etc.   &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I don't use my voice when signing with deaf people. I can't use ASL at work. I can't turn off my voice daily as I need it to communicate with my co-worker who are all hearing. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;This was not the  response I was looking for. I just resented the term "Robot language" and explained why it is difficult for some of us Deaf people to be fluent in ASL when u have to use it on a daily basis. I understand ASL 100% in which I pointed out.  However, you did answer part of my question which is to interact with Deaf people on a daily basis. There are very very few jobs where you work with other deaf people and sign all day long as well as deaf people living in the same neighhood etc etc.  &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Bottom Line, I can communicate with all type of Deaf people including you. I communicate using the human langauage even though I don't meet your description of the language 100%. I sure don't communicate via the so call "Robot language" &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thank you &lt;BR/&gt;Steven A. Mutti</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/7949008453087796382'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/7949008453087796382'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203376020000#c7949008453087796382' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-1916284814314589811</id><published>2008-02-18T16:50:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T16:50:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>that's very true</title><content type='html'>that's very true</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/1916284814314589811'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/1916284814314589811'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203375000000#c1916284814314589811' title=''/><author><name>Deb Ann</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16848684699934748571</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5288817956451512615</id><published>2008-02-18T16:38:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T16:38:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Hi Steven,It is possible for a hearing to have a p...</title><content type='html'>Hi Steven,&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;It is possible for a hearing to have a pure ASL skill, however, it is depend on indiviudal. There is a few hearing has fluent in ASL. How to be fluent in ASL, used ASL at all times and turn off voice a lot, allday or daily. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I encourage you to hang out with Deaf people everyday and you will be improving in ASL skill.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Regard,&lt;BR/&gt;Toby</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/5288817956451512615'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/5288817956451512615'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203374280000#c5288817956451512615' title=''/><author><name>Toby Welch</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/15242228009892583625</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='06814990826389343942'/></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-4787897505762269138</id><published>2008-02-18T16:28:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T16:28:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Very interesting and clear explanation between hum...</title><content type='html'>Very interesting and clear explanation between human language and robot language. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I have a question, Do you think it is really possible for hearing ASL students to be able to sign "pure" ASL when explaining about the car in the parking lot?  The reason I am asking is based on my experiences in the Deaf community, people who sign like you did about the description of the car grew up with ASL as their first language or have a lot of interactions with Deaf people who are very fluent in ASL on a daily basis. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I kind of resent the term "Robot" language. The reason I feel this way is because I did not learn ASL until I arrived at Gallaudet college. In other words, my first language is English. Secondly, I do not interact with Deaf people on a daily basis as I am the only deaf employee at the company where I work. However, I do not sign like a robot. I tend to use some ASL and English signs together when describing the car in the parking lot. I can do a lot better than your example of the Robot language  but I could not match your ASL skills even though I understood 100% on what you were decribing about the car. It is just not possible for me to sign like the way you did. My expressions would be 75 to 80% of what you were doing but some of the signs is just not possible due to my way of thinking which is in English order. In other words, deaf people with similiar background as well as job environment as mine would not be able to sign in "Pure" ASL. I am just speaking for myself as I always dream of signing like the way you did. I guess understading "pure" ASL is easier than expressing in "pure" ASL as that is very true for me. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I hope I am making sense and I always strive to understand ASL grammaical rules better and better each day. My best friend is an ASL teachers for over 30 years and every time we meet for lunch, I am always asking questions such as what is the proper ASL sign for certain words or expressions and  the reason behind why it is sign that way. &lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;I appreciate your feedback on this.&lt;BR/&gt;&lt;BR/&gt;Thank you &lt;BR/&gt;Steven A. Mutti</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/4787897505762269138'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/4787897505762269138'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203373680000#c4787897505762269138' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-8436321971584285756</id><published>2008-02-18T15:56:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2008-02-18T15:56:00.000-06:00</updated><title type='text'>TEST</title><content type='html'>TEST</content><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/8436321971584285756'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/5936312843829956532/comments/default/8436321971584285756'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html?showComment=1203371760000#c8436321971584285756' title=''/><author><name>Anonymous</name><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><thr:in-reply-to xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0' href='http://welchsasl.blogspot.com/2008/02/asl-human-language-or-robot-language.html' ref='tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-37066553.post-5936312843829956532' source='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/37066553/posts/default/5936312843829956532' type='text/html'/></entry></feed>